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this is somewhere in the skies with rain

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague honesty time life

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gets in the way of podcasting that's the

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simplest way of saying it I've strived

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since the show began to bring you

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something new each and every week but

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I've recently had to fly home to the

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East Coast to be with family for

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personal matters how study the show will

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be in the coming weeks has yet to be

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determined

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but please know I always have and will

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continue to try my best to bring you new

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shows thank you for understanding that

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being said this week I've pulled perhaps

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one of my favorite interviews ever

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conducted over at the hit podcast into

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the frame and for those who may not know

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this multi topic show hosted by cryptid

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investigator and researcher Shannon

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Dubrow is one of my all-time favorite

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shows from time to time I come on to

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co-host as Shannon if she was covering

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UFOs or aliens

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and give my thoughts and pose questions

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to the guests but when I heard she was

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interviewing the people you're going to

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hear from today I had to be involved

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UFOs are not for nearly two decades

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Greg and Dana knew Kirk had transversed

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North America on hundreds of paranormal

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adventures in search of everything from

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legendary monsters to mind-bending

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psychic phenomenon covering everything

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in between

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they've come face-to-face with Bigfoot

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deep in the hills of West Virginia

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successfully orchestrated an alien

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abduction on North Carolina's mysterious

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Brown Mountain and grappled with angry

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ghosts in a violently cursed town in

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Pennsylvania to name just a few

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expeditions they are also the

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proprietors of the world's only

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traveling museum of the paranormal and

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the occult today we talk about some of

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their adventures and the haunted items

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they have in their possession what they

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believe to be behind the activity

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connected to the items and their

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personal experiences with the unknown

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this episode is not about UFOs and for

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those who may be bummed I'm gonna say

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right now that you will not be

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appointed somewhere in the skies is

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about more than UFOs or aliens

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it's about peering into the vast unknown

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and hoping something will appear back

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and when it comes to Greg and Dana

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Newkirk something always finds a way to

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do exactly that

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so I hope you keep an open mind today

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and join us on a journey of engaging the

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strange with real life Mulder and Scully

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Greg and Dana Newkirk enjoy I miss Ohio

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guys how was Ohio until you leave when

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you're there though you're like what the

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hell am i doing in Ohio shitty part of

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Ohio we're in in Cincinnati and it is

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muggy muggy muggy it's horrible it's

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worse than when I lived in Florida

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that's actually insane because Florida

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has some serious humidity no point in

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taking a shower all the worst parts

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Florida without beaches and Disneyland

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is a special place have you guys went up

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to Salt Fork to camp and ran into any

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big feets up there times but not to camp

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you've just been for like the the

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convention right

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OBC yeah no no big big feets though no

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it's too hard during the that conference

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too because you at night when you go out

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to do any don't know it's nothing but

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yeah a lot of people in overalls just

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hollering in the woods you know yeah

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there's so many timberland boots and

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overalls okay anyway I'll stop insulting

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everyone I miss Ohio love Ohio you're in

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Nevada now though right yeah I'm back in

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no come on I think it's that bad I I

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mean it's I do miss the woods

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I miss camping but I tell you what those

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winters up there will kick your ass and

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when I wake up here and it's like you

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know it's I mean it gets cold we get

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below freezing but it's a completely

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different kind of cold and I don't need

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my Sorrell snow boots anymore so that's

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a plus I'm like well the Pug needs to

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take a whiz and I don't have to spend

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five minutes getting dressed just to

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take them outside to do that on a walk

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so

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- we tried to buy snow boots for the pug

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that didn't go so well he's like

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stomping around like Hitler panic

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attacks like you humans are such

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[\h__\h] man

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so Greg and Dana I wasn't I wasn't

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trying to do the interview

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probably like you've done a hundred

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times I'm gonna try to skip a lot of

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maybe the history stuff and I think that

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for the most part if they're listening

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to this right now they know who you are

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but I will say this on our Halloween

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episode which you guys were kind enough

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to call into I compared you guys to the

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modern-day Ed and Lorraine Warren as far

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as you collect these items and you're

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you know you your boots on the ground

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you go out and you investigate you do

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your work

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III said on that episode - I was like I

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don't know how they're gonna take that

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but that's how I see them like I I see

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it as a really good compliment but I

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don't know how you guys label yourselves

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or how you take what I labeled us with

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ed Murray Warren so take it away

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I don't like Greg take this it's equal

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parts like flattering and equal parts

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kind of nerve-wracking because you know

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I would like I always answer hopefully

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god it's so it's so hard to put it

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delicately hopefully with a better

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reputation yeah I totally understand

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yeah but I think that's I mean that's

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that's fair I can see what people would

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say that I mean you know don't know too

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many husband-wife teams who go out and

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chase monsters and write have a museum

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the Museum of haunted objects and we're

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a little less religious though yes all

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right and you guys aren't actually going

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out and exercising folks and whatnot oh

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not yet anyway yeah they are you guys

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working up to that

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no we haven't you haven't run into that

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situation yet thankfully we're gonna be

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the ones who need the exorcisms yeah

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because you know when you watch the

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movies the conjuring contouring to the

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those parts are very dramatic and from

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what it looked like what Lorraine went

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through you're going well god I don't

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want any part of that ever I mean

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there's a lot of there's a lot of people

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I mean you've been around a long time

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where it was advantageous for them to

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make things a little more scary than

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they might have actually been or to have

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the people the family a little more

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freaked out than they might have been

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because that would have resulted in a

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really great book or a really great

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movie eventually so I don't know I don't

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think I don't think jumping to the

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conclusion where all of the hauntings

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are super scary things it's really the

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best place to take it you know one of

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the things that dan and I are always

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talking about is how most hauntings you

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know if they're not something that's

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residual they're trying to get people to

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realize something they're trying to to

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talk to us in a way and it's scary

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because the only way they can they can

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communicate with us is in ways that are

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unnatural that shouldn't be happening

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and so we get scared but most the time I

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think there's a story to be told and a

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lot of these things they don't they're

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not out to steal your mortal soul

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they're just trying to find some peace

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all right and probably just as scared as

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you are as the witness absolutely

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neither our friend John Tenney always

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will tell this story during his one of

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his lectures and it's sort of an

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interesting piece of advice that I think

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everybody should really bring with them

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when when doing any kind of paranormal

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research and he often talks about how

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people sometimes in haunted buildings

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they'll experience scratches or they'll

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experience having their hair tugged or

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their they'll you know being pulled on

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or pushed and sort of from his

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perspective he'll often say like could

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you imagine if you were dead and you've

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spent X amount of time building up

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energy to reach out to the living and

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try to make some kind of contact with

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them and in the process you accidentally

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scratch them or push them or tug on

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their hair or do something that could

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potentially be kind of misconstrued as

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evil or violent when really it was sort

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of accidental it wasn't necessarily

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meant to be this violent act it was

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meant to be your your way of being able

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to kind of reach out and make contact

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that's kind of I mean it's whether

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things reims

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Greg Greg and I have always felt exactly

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the same way is really constantly been

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part of our rulebook when doing any kind

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of paranormal investigation however do

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you guys think as far as when you

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location have you ever got the feeling

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that in fact you weren't dealing with a

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human spirit that is around you and it

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is something else like a demon I mean

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it's hard to classify it as as a demon

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just because of the religious

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connotations but I think that you know

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there have been several times where I've

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been somewhere where I can say whatever

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was there was malevolent yeah it was not

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nice and it was doing things that

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weren't nice whether or not that's

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because it's an agent of Satan or not

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I'll leave that up to the clergy I have

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been in situations where I was pretty

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sure that what was there was did not

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have the best intentions but I think

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that's exceedingly rare yeah they were

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saying I've listened to plenty of

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podcast what they're like the actual

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instances of where someone needs an

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exorcism because there's a some kind of

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demonic entity in them is so few and far

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between and I don't know how often the

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church actually goes out on these things

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or what kind of you know you watch the

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movies they they have to get permission

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right from the Vatican to get exercises

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performed or whatever but would be nice

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to be a fly on the wall and see what the

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what the bullet points are for stuff

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like that until they go okay we might

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have a problem here

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well I mean it all depends to on on you

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know what religious sect it is I mean

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you know cuz Catholics are only one of

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many who do exorcisms you know there's

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you know Buddhists do exorcisms there's

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all kinds of ways to cleanse people of

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an evil spirit or cleanse buildings of

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an evil spirit so-called evil spirit and

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it just really depends on I mean it's

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all the same it all comes down to the

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same thing it's just people that are

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focusing their intentions on reading

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this place of a specific feeling or or

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entity and I don't I don't even think

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you have to be religious to do that I

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think you can do that just by feeling it

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strongly enough or calling in a group of

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people who will feel that intention

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strongly enough to drive this thing out

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I mean it's really I think it all just

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comes down to your your intentions is

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all it is and I want to get back to your

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haunted items but I have one last

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question kind of in the same vein that

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we're talking about when we're talking

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about poltergeist activity you always

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will hear someone say well it

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a teenage girl and she's going through

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puberty and she's the one causing the

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activity what's the thinking behind that

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what do you guys feel on that I think

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that's really just another one of those

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you know it's the heightened hormones

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and I don't think it always is just a

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young girl I think that a lot of people

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who are haunted are haunting themselves

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and again I think it comes down to how

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much intention and willpower you're

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putting into the idea of it and I think

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with kids they don't they don't always

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understand what's happening they don't

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always understand that it's going it's

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going on but you know we've we've dealt

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with cases before where I'm positive

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that the only reason that that a certain

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house is haunted is because the people

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really wanted it to be haunted and they

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were just feeding it I mean it can even

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I think that it can even be connected to

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kind of the emotional state of a family

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or or a group of people like if they're

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in sort of you know a bad place and

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there is a lot of kind of negative

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emotions or just heightened emotions

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kind of being pumped out into an

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environment a lot of the times they that

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will often kind of be associated with

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poltergeist like activity as well well

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and that's where the thirteen-year-old

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girl thing comes in you know they're

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going through puberty they've got

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heightened emotions they're they're

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really really emotional and it's just

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oozing off of them and because of that

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it just you know it just amps up the

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energy in the place and that can result

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in depending on how you want to look at

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it that can result in maybe you

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manifesting a ghost or maybe you're

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drawing them in mm-hmm

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that's what's kind of gets strange with

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these kind of weird manifestations is

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you don't know if you're the one

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creating them or if there's something is

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something's drawn to this energy that

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you're putting out Oh interesting I

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actually have a question to sort of tie

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in to that guys have you have you ever

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interviewed kids I mean like

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prepubescent or even teenagers when

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you've been out on investigations and if

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you have have you seen like sort of if

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the parents were of any sort of

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influence on them answering your

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questions has that ever come up like

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maybe they see it completely different

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you know that they're supposed to be

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innocent and they might have a

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completely

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different perception of what's going on

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in the house other than the parent it's

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actually interesting that you mentioned

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that because there was a time where my

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my previous ghost hunting team and I

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were at an old farmhouse that was in

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Ontario Canada and the house itself was

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really haunted and a similar sort of

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situation like that happened where we

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had spent a lot of time with the mother

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and the father and they sort of told us

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there's their version of the story which

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was a very frightening and then when

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their son when I actually sat down and

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kind of interviewed their son he sort of

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explained the same story but it seemed a

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little bit less frightening almost as if

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the adults sort of were looking at it

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with that in mind they thought okay this

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stuff is happening in our house that's

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terrifying and it has to be something

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negative and the child was sort of like

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this stuff's happening in our house but

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I don't necessarily feel like it's

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something that's bad so yeah I mean that

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was an interesting thing where it was

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sort of like it was interesting to

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separate them and be able to kind of see

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the two different age groups what what

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each of them were experiencing even

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though they were all experiencing the

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same kind of phenomena gotcha

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all right so taking it back to be

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haunted items how many haunted items do

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you guys have in your possession last

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count was I want to say like a hundred

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it wasn't always this much but we

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started officially doing the traveling

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Museum of the paranormal in the occult

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three years ago and since then it's

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every time we do an event there's people

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just come and they give us stuff or

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we'll have we have a post-office box and

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it's just always getting stuff so before

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that there was there was far less I mean

394
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we had a lot of stuff more than I wanted

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to say more than most normal people

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might have but it's the the number is

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growing exponentially every year so I'm

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curious on when you take possession of

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an item and you walk it into your house

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is there a certain process is there a

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blessing you do over it do you I don't

402
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put salt around it you know some of

403
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um techniques that we've seen or heard

404
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about what do you guys do with them

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usually I mean we kind of stick to the

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same sort of checklist that we'll go

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through when we first receive an object

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and it's a lot of just documenting what

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it physically looks like because we've

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actually had objects that have sort of

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changed shape and color as we've had

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them so that's a process that we kind of

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go through where we'll take we'll

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photograph it we will kind of

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obsessively video it we'll make sure

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that we know exactly what it was like

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when it came to the museum and the only

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real quote-unquote ritual that we go

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through it sounds super silly but it

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most the time it works we sit down with

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the object and we plainly and calmly say

422
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we're giving you a place to live if

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somebody else found you you might end up

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in a bonfire or they would bury you or

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throw you in the ocean we're gonna give

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you some of our space respect our space

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will respect you and we'll have a good

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relationship and most of the time that's

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enough to take care of it there are a

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few cases rare cases where things will

431
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require some more precautions or we'll

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have to put something in its own box

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occasionally there's there's kosher salt

434
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involves certain things respond to

435
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certain iconography differently but most

436
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of the time we try our best not to not

437
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to make enemies with something that that

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might not really care for what we have

439
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to say to it we try and keep things as

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as peaceful as possible you know you

441
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don't curse at it or throw things I like

442
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some of the other folks like to get

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things really riled up generally they do

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that at us so you know it's a really

445
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good item right I just I don't like the

446
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idea of making enemies with something

447
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that could possibly be timeless and you

448
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know come come back at the worst

449
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possible moment to remind me of the time

450
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I decided to pretend I was I was more

451
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important or powerful than it right yeah

452
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I always go back to the pork guy and in

453
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poltergeist when he's standing in the

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mirror and he's ripping his own face off

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you know

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we don't need visions like that nothing

457
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quite that bad yet yeah yeah that's good

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I was just gonna play off of that have

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you guys ever had someone ask for an

460
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item back no no I think we ever have no

461
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most people they want to get rid of it I

462
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assume some of the objects that we have

463
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I mean everything in the museum is

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donated and some of the objects we have

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are sort of on they're not permanent so

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someone will send us something for a

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couple years or for a period of time to

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kind of study it and then eventually

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though they'll ask for it back but I

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don't think we've ever had anyone kind

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of say okay I need to have this thing

472
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back yeah one of the one of the

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qualifiers as always because people ask

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us you know where have you bought your

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stuff and and we said we don't buy it

476
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that's one of our rules because you know

477
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people are always saying these I saw

478
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this haunted doll on ebay generally most

479
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people who have a real haunted object

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are more than happy to get rid of it for

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free if you're being charged for it it

482
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is probably a scam as well as the fact

483
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that buying and selling things in

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exchanging money for something is one of

485
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the oldest cleansing rituals in the

486
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world it's meant to cleanse ownership so

487
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actually paying for something that has

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an entity attached to it is probably the

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quickest way to happen to exorcise that

490
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entity mm-hmm yeah and I think that's a

491
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lot of time why people will buy a

492
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haunted house and all of a sudden it's

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not haunted anymore and there's

494
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different reasons for that I mean it

495
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could be a lot of a lot of hauntings

496
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again comes back to the idea of intent

497
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and connection a lot of haunted objects

498
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that they've been given to us with these

499
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really big stories but they've never

500
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acted up because I think that the

501
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trigger for those is the the household

502
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it was in the area was in the people

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that they owned it or even the again

504
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like we were saying before even the

505
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emotional state that was happening you

506
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know with those people at the time that

507
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can even be a triggering in and of

508
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itself anyway long story short don't buy

509
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haunted I don't because you're getting

510
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and this is a question for each one of

511
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you is there an object that really

512
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bothers you Greg or really bothers you

513
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Dana that you just you will not mess

514
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with no matter what or maybe the second

515
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you took a look at it you're like nope

516
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this one this one of me are not

517
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friends it's probably the same one I

518
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think yeah I think we probably have the

519
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same it's the Crone if you ask me it'd

520
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be the Crone it's the only one of the

521
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only it's like we have three objects in

522
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the museum that we don't let people

523
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touch or handle and this is one of them

524
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and the immediately the day that it

525
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showed up we started having really

526
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strange things happen and it was one of

527
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those ones that wouldn't cooperate even

528
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after we had the conversation with it

529
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and I know I know that it won't end

530
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until we we've been able to stop a lot

531
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of the weird activity and and it was it

532
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was at one point looking like it was

533
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going to be dangerous and I know it's

534
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not going to end until we take it back

535
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to wherever it was taken from it's a

536
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it's a carved hand-carved statue that

537
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was found in the Catskill Mountains by a

538
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couple hikers and they decided to take

539
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it home and it looks terrifying like

540
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will you look at it and you go I would

541
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never take this thing home it's got yeah

542
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rusty nails driven into the eyes it has

543
00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:21,830
a noose around its neck and they said

544
00:21:25,299 --> 00:21:23,929
the one guy said we're not taking this

545
00:21:26,380 --> 00:21:25,309
the other guy's like no way this thing's

546
00:21:28,930 --> 00:21:26,390
awesome we're taking it home

547
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,940
it was it was moving from where they put

548
00:21:32,650 --> 00:21:30,320
it they were starting to get this

549
00:21:35,980 --> 00:21:32,660
overwhelming smell of pond water I mean

550
00:21:39,250 --> 00:21:35,990
full full-body apparitions like an old

551
00:21:42,340 --> 00:21:39,260
nude woman in their living room no oh

552
00:21:43,690 --> 00:21:42,350
yeah wet footprints muddy footprints

553
00:21:44,740 --> 00:21:43,700
that walked through the house they

554
00:21:47,260 --> 00:21:44,750
couldn't figure out where they were

555
00:21:50,169 --> 00:21:47,270
coming from the dogs were acting strange

556
00:21:51,460 --> 00:21:50,179
and it got to the point where they they

557
00:21:55,690 --> 00:21:51,470
just couldn't handle it anymore

558
00:21:57,549 --> 00:21:55,700
and weirdly serendipitously one of the

559
00:22:00,640 --> 00:21:57,559
PAS from Finding Bigfoot

560
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:00,650
was reading this reddit thread while he

561
00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:05,090
was on break and he just spent a week in

562
00:22:08,770 --> 00:22:07,070
a van with us listening to all of our

563
00:22:11,919 --> 00:22:08,780
stories and he said you got to get ahold

564
00:22:13,659 --> 00:22:11,929
of these guys and they asked for advice

565
00:22:14,740 --> 00:22:13,669
I said you need to take it back you need

566
00:22:16,419 --> 00:22:14,750
to apologize

567
00:22:18,340 --> 00:22:16,429
they said apologize to who I said it

568
00:22:20,830 --> 00:22:18,350
doesn't matter apologize to the cave

569
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:20,840
apologize to the object to the entity

570
00:22:25,330 --> 00:22:22,730
back out of the cave and hope that that

571
00:22:27,730 --> 00:22:25,340
was enough they wouldn't do it they were

572
00:22:29,650 --> 00:22:27,740
afraid to go back and so I said fine

573
00:22:33,010 --> 00:22:29,660
here's my post office box centered in

574
00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:33,020
the day that it arrived we left it alone

575
00:22:39,790 --> 00:22:34,130
in the

576
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:39,800
office a few hours later walked in and I

577
00:22:42,250 --> 00:22:40,730
couldn't figure out what was wrong

578
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:42,260
because everything looked the same until

579
00:22:46,810 --> 00:22:44,570
I almost stepped on Jesus which had been

580
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:46,820
pulled off of a crucifix that was

581
00:22:52,180 --> 00:22:50,210
hanging right above the Crone and the

582
00:22:57,850 --> 00:22:52,190
chair we left it in and it was just his

583
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:57,860
single arm swinging and so I said okay

584
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:00,080
we have to capture this thing doing this

585
00:23:03,820 --> 00:23:02,480
and we set up a trail camera and it took

586
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,830
us about three weeks but eventually

587
00:23:06,790 --> 00:23:05,360
between the hours of 3:00 and 4:00 in

588
00:23:09,310 --> 00:23:06,800
the morning the camera triggered three

589
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:09,320
times the photos were very strange there

590
00:23:12,460 --> 00:23:11,090
were some weird light anomalies that

591
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:12,470
we're actually giving off their own

592
00:23:15,820 --> 00:23:14,090
light you can see them giving off light

593
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:15,830
as they float around the room and that

594
00:23:20,650 --> 00:23:17,810
was as strange as it was until we

595
00:23:21,850 --> 00:23:20,660
stitched the pictures together and when

596
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:21,860
you stitch them together you can

597
00:23:26,650 --> 00:23:24,250
actually see the Crone moves by itself

598
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:26,660
it's not very far but it's enough to

599
00:23:31,630 --> 00:23:28,730
notice that it did move by itself

600
00:23:33,460 --> 00:23:31,640
nothing else moves and then after that

601
00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:33,470
was when things started to get really

602
00:23:38,530 --> 00:23:34,130
scary

603
00:23:41,380 --> 00:23:38,540
because we started to to smell the

604
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:41,390
strong scent of POD water there was a

605
00:23:48,460 --> 00:23:44,570
constant feeling of this this oppressive

606
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:48,470
energy and one night Dana calls me from

607
00:23:51,670 --> 00:23:49,610
the living room and says why were you

608
00:23:54,220 --> 00:23:51,680
standing on the back of the couch and it

609
00:23:56,140 --> 00:23:54,230
was the strangest thing I like there

610
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:56,150
were two perfectly formed human

611
00:24:00,610 --> 00:23:59,120
footprints that were wax literally

612
00:24:04,030 --> 00:24:00,620
standing right on the back of the couch

613
00:24:05,890 --> 00:24:04,040
and I thought at first I thought did he

614
00:24:08,830 --> 00:24:05,900
like take a shower and then change a

615
00:24:11,530 --> 00:24:08,840
light bulb or like what is what my brain

616
00:24:12,910 --> 00:24:11,540
wasn't a rat right everything because if

617
00:24:14,770 --> 00:24:12,920
it had been in the living or in the

618
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:14,780
kitchen I would have been like okay it's

619
00:24:19,390 --> 00:24:16,370
water from a sink or if it is in the

620
00:24:21,550 --> 00:24:19,400
bathroom same thing but it was two

621
00:24:23,650 --> 00:24:21,560
perfect footprint shapes

622
00:24:27,250 --> 00:24:23,660
standing right on the back of our couch

623
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:27,260
and it was just the weirdest thing but I

624
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:29,210
mean I could have found at that point in

625
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,840
time yeah cats started acting weird and

626
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,440
eventually it just got to the point

627
00:24:37,780 --> 00:24:35,360
where I said okay all right well let's

628
00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:37,790
have the talk again and we as we were

629
00:24:41,530 --> 00:24:39,950
having the discussion we heard the sound

630
00:24:44,140 --> 00:24:41,540
of rushing water coming from the other

631
00:24:46,210 --> 00:24:44,150
side of the of the house mmm and we just

632
00:24:47,860 --> 00:24:46,220
dealt with a burst pipe and anyone who's

633
00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:47,870
ever dealt with a burst pipe knows that

634
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:48,110
it

635
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:52,850
horrible and I thought oh no not again

636
00:24:57,220 --> 00:24:55,250
and we both jumped up and we rushed to

637
00:24:59,710 --> 00:24:57,230
the other side of house but there's

638
00:25:02,049 --> 00:24:59,720
nothing there there's there's no sound

639
00:25:05,530 --> 00:25:02,059
of rushing water instead we here in the

640
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:05,540
living room we hear this thump and then

641
00:25:10,150 --> 00:25:07,970
thumb thumb thumb thumb and we walk back

642
00:25:12,940 --> 00:25:10,160
in the living room the Crone is gone

643
00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:12,950
it's not on the coffee table so we left

644
00:25:17,140 --> 00:25:14,990
it I'm looking all over to see where

645
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,150
this thing is it had rolled off of the

646
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:19,760
coffee table under the television stand

647
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:22,880
and so I walk over and I get down on my

648
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:24,290
hands and knees and I'm reaching out of

649
00:25:29,470 --> 00:25:26,210
the coffee table or under the television

650
00:25:31,570 --> 00:25:29,480
stand and I hear Dana scream and I look

651
00:25:36,130 --> 00:25:31,580
up and the television is tipping over on

652
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:36,140
my head oh my god and Dana runs over and

653
00:25:42,340 --> 00:25:39,919
she grabs the TV and luckily it didn't

654
00:25:43,870 --> 00:25:42,350
land on him yeah he just just keeps it

655
00:25:45,070 --> 00:25:43,880
from landing on my head and that's when

656
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:45,080
I said all right if this is how it's

657
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:47,090
going to be then we're going to lock you

658
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:48,850
up and you're gonna stay locked up and

659
00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:51,290
immediately as soon as I'd finish saying

660
00:25:54,909 --> 00:25:54,169
it there were three just loud booms that

661
00:25:58,299 --> 00:25:54,919
sounded like they were coming from

662
00:26:01,330 --> 00:25:58,309
inside the wall just boom boom boom I

663
00:26:04,510 --> 00:26:01,340
said fine that's it and so now it stays

664
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,520
locked up no one touches it you know

665
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:06,320
occasionally we'll still get that strong

666
00:26:11,650 --> 00:26:09,650
smell and I know that it won't end until

667
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:11,660
we take it back because it wants to be

668
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,720
back work where it was taken from and it

669
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:16,880
won't stop until then I'm sure and when

670
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:18,530
you say locked up it's in a glass case

671
00:26:23,470 --> 00:26:21,410
like in a closet or oh no it's it's in a

672
00:26:26,159 --> 00:26:23,480
wooden we have a wooden case with a big

673
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:26,169
padlock on it gets wrapped up in a cloth

674
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:28,970
yeah occasionally we'll throw a little a

675
00:26:33,549 --> 00:26:30,799
little salt or holy water in there if it

676
00:26:37,270 --> 00:26:33,559
starts to get nasty but it tried to drop

677
00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:37,280
your TV on your head oh yeah yeah that's

678
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:38,630
oh my god

679
00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:40,730
so after that we thought yeah this

680
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:43,220
thing's not gonna cooperate and you know

681
00:26:47,650 --> 00:26:46,250
I like I said I really don't take doing

682
00:26:51,159 --> 00:26:47,660
things like that very lightly because I

683
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:51,169
again I don't think making supernatural

684
00:26:53,530 --> 00:26:52,640
enemies is probably the wisest thing

685
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:53,540
mm-hm

686
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:55,370
so now that it's locked up though you

687
00:26:59,230 --> 00:26:56,960
said occasionally you smell pond water

688
00:27:00,570 --> 00:26:59,240
do you still hear Boone's and and things

689
00:27:02,970 --> 00:27:00,580
like that in your house

690
00:27:05,399 --> 00:27:02,980
it has never been that pronounced since

691
00:27:06,990 --> 00:27:05,409
then Wow you know occasionally and it

692
00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:07,000
gets I mean it gets hard to figure out

693
00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:09,940
what's what around here sometimes yeah

694
00:27:15,149 --> 00:27:13,870
but most of its pretty pretty benign you

695
00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:15,159
know we see some of a lot of the same

696
00:27:19,769 --> 00:27:16,630
things and usually can kind of tell what

697
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:19,779
what it is it's to blame but it's the

698
00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:21,970
pond water is generally when it gets

699
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:24,700
really really strong we know that it

700
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:26,710
just sits reminding us you need to take

701
00:27:30,990 --> 00:27:28,570
me take me home yeah I was watching your

702
00:27:32,370 --> 00:27:31,000
live feed today and I know that the Idol

703
00:27:33,690 --> 00:27:32,380
of nightmares is on there right now live

704
00:27:36,060 --> 00:27:33,700
and if anyone hasn't checked that out

705
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,070
you guys have that running 24/7 and how

706
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:37,840
often do you switch those guys out and

707
00:27:42,570 --> 00:27:40,330
my next question is I'm assuming it

708
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:42,580
would be a stupid question but has the

709
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:45,730
crow never been live on camera before we

710
00:27:52,529 --> 00:27:48,130
actually did we we gave her I think we

711
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:52,539
did like four or five days yeah and it

712
00:27:56,820 --> 00:27:53,440
was crazy

713
00:27:58,019 --> 00:27:56,830
I mean evidence that at one point we

714
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:58,029
were we thought okay well let's

715
00:28:01,710 --> 00:27:59,679
introduce some trigger objects just to

716
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:01,720
see if you know and it will capture

717
00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:04,980
anything different and we said we have a

718
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:07,960
coffin nail that has been used in and

719
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:11,110
loads of voodoo rituals so we set this

720
00:28:14,340 --> 00:28:12,880
coffin nail next to the crown we

721
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:14,350
actually propped it right up against the

722
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:16,090
Crone and I think it was like three or

723
00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:18,370
four o'clock in the morning the camera

724
00:28:22,409 --> 00:28:20,470
if the camera senses any kind of like

725
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:22,419
heat or any sort of movement it

726
00:28:26,460 --> 00:28:24,970
instantly will send us on notification

727
00:28:28,649 --> 00:28:26,470
to our phones letting us know that

728
00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:28,659
something is moving and it's caught it's

729
00:28:32,610 --> 00:28:30,460
it's not just like airing it's called

730
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,620
it's recording the whole time as well so

731
00:28:37,710 --> 00:28:34,000
we can go back and look at all that

732
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,720
footage and it was this this rusty nail

733
00:28:42,210 --> 00:28:39,760
leaning up against the Crone and it

734
00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:42,220
looks like it gets kind of flicked off

735
00:28:47,879 --> 00:28:44,580
of it because it sort of has like a

736
00:28:50,399 --> 00:28:47,889
moment where it ride flies up into the

737
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:50,409
air and and not not like it doesn't just

738
00:28:54,269 --> 00:28:52,210
tumble over and kind of roll so it

739
00:28:55,620 --> 00:28:54,279
wasn't I mean that was a really

740
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:55,630
interesting thing that happened and

741
00:29:00,240 --> 00:28:58,450
people were writing in a report that as

742
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:00,250
they were watching the Crone's they were

743
00:29:04,889 --> 00:29:01,750
getting strange activity in their own

744
00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:04,899
homes and that hasn't really happened

745
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:06,580
with any of the other objects we've had

746
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:07,090
on display

747
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:10,330
it was mostly that one and it was like

748
00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:12,730
half a dozen people we're saying you

749
00:29:16,169 --> 00:29:14,230
know I'm seeing things

750
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:16,179
is is this going to last forever how

751
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:17,650
long is this gonna last what did I do

752
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,929
I think someone even wrote in to tell us

753
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:22,000
that they did smell like oh yes tea

754
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:23,710
water yeah Wow

755
00:29:29,460 --> 00:29:26,799
yeah so we try and change them up like

756
00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:29,470
once a week but we've had the idol we

757
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:34,630
call him Billy because he's an idol for

758
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:38,110
like three weeks now just because we've

759
00:29:41,460 --> 00:29:40,090
been we've just been super busy and we

760
00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:41,470
haven't had time to figure out what's

761
00:29:45,419 --> 00:29:44,169
what's next but we'll have we normally

762
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:45,429
have them changed like once a week and

763
00:29:48,419 --> 00:29:46,960
we try and do new stuff all the time

764
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:48,429
you know guys there's there's times

765
00:29:54,090 --> 00:29:51,250
where like I'll try to remember my

766
00:29:59,970 --> 00:29:54,100
masculinity and I will look at the photo

767
00:30:02,580 --> 00:29:59,980
Greg the black mirror I might be one

768
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,590
whiskey torso but I'll always stare into

769
00:30:06,659 --> 00:30:05,200
the photo of the black mirror just to

770
00:30:11,450 --> 00:30:06,669
see if anything happened yeah does that

771
00:30:13,409 --> 00:30:11,460
work the same yeah absolutely and it was

772
00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:13,419
there were people who were saying

773
00:30:16,590 --> 00:30:15,190
reporting different things all of them

774
00:30:18,090 --> 00:30:16,600
yes seeing different things in the

775
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:18,100
mirror so and I'm they were also

776
00:30:23,549 --> 00:30:20,530
experiencing like headaches and kind of

777
00:30:26,370 --> 00:30:23,559
like nausea yeah but even if you look at

778
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:26,380
a picture of you holding it people have

779
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:28,450
reported strange things with it I don't

780
00:30:32,130 --> 00:30:30,370
know I mean in the question is how much

781
00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:32,140
of that is the power of suggestion and

782
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:35,140
those days because I heard you guys say

783
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:37,450
um to Jim on youth event that you

784
00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:38,890
neither one of you have looked into the

785
00:30:45,299 --> 00:30:43,750
black mirror right no kind of that like

786
00:30:48,180 --> 00:30:45,309
you know we don't want to create any

787
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:48,190
kind of emotional yeah connection with

788
00:30:54,380 --> 00:30:50,080
many of the things that we have because

789
00:30:58,799 --> 00:30:54,390
it that's sort of how we accept Billy

790
00:31:00,120 --> 00:30:58,809
yeah of course not yeah so we both of us

791
00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:00,130
haven't looked in the mirror at all it

792
00:31:04,110 --> 00:31:01,750
you know I mean it lives in our house

793
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:04,120
and yes it's like you're close enough

794
00:31:07,230 --> 00:31:05,890
right like that's enough know one of the

795
00:31:09,210 --> 00:31:07,240
reasons I don't want to look into it is

796
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:09,220
because I can never shake the feeling

797
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:11,049
that it wants me to look into it which

798
00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:12,730
is why I don't want to do it but your

799
00:31:15,630 --> 00:31:13,929
cat's won't even look into it right

800
00:31:17,490 --> 00:31:15,640
that's what you had mentioned as well no

801
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:17,500
the cat's refused we thought because it

802
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:19,510
used to be on display when we're not on

803
00:31:23,730 --> 00:31:21,010
the road it's just on display in our

804
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:23,740
house the the mirror was always on

805
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,330
display but we always kept it covered it

806
00:31:28,110 --> 00:31:27,760
was given to us with this this like

807
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:28,120
hanker

808
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:30,250
if that was kept over it and I would

809
00:31:34,530 --> 00:31:32,170
notice that it started to uncover itself

810
00:31:36,570 --> 00:31:34,540
at night and I thought it's gotta be the

811
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:36,580
cats they're just messing with it the

812
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:38,440
cats would go nowhere near it I'd try to

813
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,330
show it to them and they would run and

814
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:42,880
hide for like an hour because they

815
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:44,050
wanted nothing to do with this thing so

816
00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:45,970
wasn't the cats that was uncovering it

817
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:47,950
and I'd even catch myself sitting on the

818
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:49,330
couch and I would just kind of be

819
00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:51,250
staring in this general direction and

820
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:53,350
I'd realize oh my god what am i doing

821
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,390
and the cover would be off

822
00:31:58,980 --> 00:31:57,760
it's like Collins oh I'd yeah that's why

823
00:32:00,210 --> 00:31:58,990
I don't want to look into it I don't

824
00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:00,220
know I don't think I need to see

825
00:32:04,410 --> 00:32:01,990
anything it wants to show me I don't

826
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,420
yeah it's like the old quote guys I mean

827
00:32:08,430 --> 00:32:06,640
if you stare into the void long you know

828
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:08,440
if something's gonna say you're back you

829
00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:09,760
know it's really funny we were just

830
00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:12,340
maybe like half an hour before we jumped

831
00:32:17,010 --> 00:32:14,470
on the call we were going through EVPs

832
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:17,020
that we'd collected over the last like

833
00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:19,330
half a dozen events we've done and one

834
00:32:23,970 --> 00:32:20,740
of them that had must have just missed

835
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,980
us somebody in the crowd asks they asked

836
00:32:28,110 --> 00:32:26,080
the entity in the mirror they say you

837
00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:28,120
know where where are you from and it

838
00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:30,460
says clear as a bell it says from hell

839
00:32:34,650 --> 00:32:32,830
oh my goodness gracious

840
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:34,660
alrighty then yeah you're like yeah

841
00:32:40,050 --> 00:32:38,320
that'll do it for that then yeah that's

842
00:32:41,910 --> 00:32:40,060
why we don't look into that mirror well

843
00:32:44,130 --> 00:32:41,920
I know Ryan's got some questions for you

844
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:44,140
guys take it away Ryan well I kind of I

845
00:32:49,410 --> 00:32:46,570
love reading the articles that you guys

846
00:32:51,510 --> 00:32:49,420
do they're so insightful extensive it's

847
00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:51,520
clear you've done your research and I

848
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,350
wanted to talk about a couple of them

849
00:32:58,650 --> 00:32:55,840
that really stood out to me I think the

850
00:33:02,490 --> 00:32:58,660
most recent one was this guy Mike in

851
00:33:06,420 --> 00:33:02,500
Kentucky who's he's offering special

852
00:33:08,670 --> 00:33:06,430
effects services to haunt houses am I am

853
00:33:11,820 --> 00:33:08,680
i reading this correctly what is this

854
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:11,830
guy doing like is he he seems to be

855
00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:14,080
enemy number one now for paranormal

856
00:33:18,540 --> 00:33:16,750
investigators could you yeah sort of run

857
00:33:20,970 --> 00:33:18,550
this through for us what exactly this

858
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:20,980
guy Mike is doing this guy is a

859
00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:23,770
professional special-effects artist he's

860
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:26,710
from the Louisville area and he normally

861
00:33:33,420 --> 00:33:29,710
works with haunted houses like the fake

862
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:33,430
kind the fake kind yes and he's he's

863
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:38,290
also a magician he's he's clearly he

864
00:33:41,010 --> 00:33:39,850
clearly knows his stuff when it comes to

865
00:33:43,710 --> 00:33:41,020
special effects

866
00:33:47,850 --> 00:33:43,720
and I noticed on his website the other

867
00:33:50,250 --> 00:33:47,860
day that he was offering hot services

868
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:50,260
where he would go to allegedly haunted

869
00:33:57,090 --> 00:33:53,760
locations and he and his team would

870
00:33:59,790 --> 00:33:57,100
covertly sneak into ghost hunting groups

871
00:34:01,260 --> 00:33:59,800
as guests as like they were paying

872
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:01,270
guests they'd arrive in unmarked vans

873
00:34:06,570 --> 00:34:03,130
and they claimed that they could do

874
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:06,580
everything from showing apparitions

875
00:34:10,409 --> 00:34:08,290
making apparitions appear that would

876
00:34:13,889 --> 00:34:10,419
appear and disappear in front of guests

877
00:34:15,630 --> 00:34:13,899
eyes they could manipulate ghost hunting

878
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:15,640
devices they could I think they even

879
00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:16,960
said at one point they could make people

880
00:34:21,899 --> 00:34:18,790
feel ill yeah I could make a whole group

881
00:34:23,370 --> 00:34:21,909
of people feel ill at the same time so a

882
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:23,380
lot of things that are commonly

883
00:34:29,460 --> 00:34:26,409
associated with with hauntings and that

884
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:29,470
he was offering this service tailored to

885
00:34:33,899 --> 00:34:32,080
whatever whatever haunted locations

886
00:34:37,110 --> 00:34:33,909
wanted to hire him to do it both private

887
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:37,120
and public and he seems that there he

888
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:39,850
has many clients already he met he's

889
00:34:44,370 --> 00:34:41,890
told me he's done at least two dozen

890
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:44,380
successfully so far for both big and

891
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,370
small clients I have to ask why like

892
00:34:55,889 --> 00:34:49,919
what's his intention I mean obviously

893
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:55,899
money thing but what what is he what

894
00:35:00,900 --> 00:34:58,210
does he think to gain from this it seems

895
00:35:02,850 --> 00:35:00,910
like I don't know I don't know what what

896
00:35:05,310 --> 00:35:02,860
is his motivation you said you talked to

897
00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:05,320
him yeah I mean when I saw that he was

898
00:35:08,910 --> 00:35:07,390
offering the service I had to reach out

899
00:35:11,580 --> 00:35:08,920
and see if he'd do an interview with me

900
00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:11,590
and I thought he would shirk me but no

901
00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:14,740
he was he was all too happy to talk and

902
00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:17,140
he said you know his reasoning for doing

903
00:35:22,530 --> 00:35:19,990
it is again you know one money but two

904
00:35:24,420 --> 00:35:22,540
he sees it as a challenge and it's it's

905
00:35:27,450 --> 00:35:24,430
hard to disagree with him when he says

906
00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:27,460
if Ghost Hunters are worth their salt

907
00:35:31,530 --> 00:35:30,190
they will know that something's not

908
00:35:34,140 --> 00:35:31,540
right and they'll know that someone's

909
00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:34,150
behind it the problem is you know newer

910
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:37,150
ghost hunters who have no idea that this

911
00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:38,650
is this can happen aren't probably

912
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:40,030
aren't very good at what they're doing

913
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,720
so far

914
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:42,160
you know if they go in and they

915
00:35:46,050 --> 00:35:43,690
experience all this stuff and they start

916
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:46,060
to try and pass that off as as real

917
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:48,730
evidence you know it's it's not exactly

918
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:51,610
the best thing for for the paranormal

919
00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:54,250
community yeah and also I think well

920
00:35:58,260 --> 00:35:56,260
really the bottom line is once sort of a

921
00:35:59,850 --> 00:35:58,270
light was put on the fact that he's

922
00:36:01,290 --> 00:35:59,860
actually doing this it's made a lot of

923
00:36:02,580 --> 00:36:01,300
people really paranoid about the

924
00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:02,590
locations if they're already

925
00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:05,350
investigating like alright he's in a

926
00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:07,390
place that I've been is it you know

927
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:09,070
could it yes my editing some of the big

928
00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:12,490
ones like those sorts of things so so

929
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:14,200
it's it's kind of a weird

930
00:36:17,970 --> 00:36:16,330
it's a weird situation because I think

931
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:17,980
Mike is probably one of the only people

932
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:19,690
who's just talking about the fact that

933
00:36:23,970 --> 00:36:21,910
he's doing it and I I've heard la mean

934
00:36:26,430 --> 00:36:23,980
as soon as I published the article I was

935
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:26,440
getting inbox by people who say oh I

936
00:36:32,940 --> 00:36:28,570
know that this location does it and I

937
00:36:34,830 --> 00:36:32,950
can prove it by doing this and so you

938
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:34,840
know people were dropping big names

939
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:38,170
names of really big places it's it's

940
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:39,850
going to be something I think we're

941
00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:41,170
going to have to worry about in

942
00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:42,460
especially in the ghost hunting

943
00:36:47,970 --> 00:36:45,460
community a lot more in the coming years

944
00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:47,980
because I think I think we're getting

945
00:36:52,380 --> 00:36:49,390
ready to have another there's kind of

946
00:36:54,210 --> 00:36:52,390
these these weird ABS and flows and in

947
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:54,220
paranormal entertainment then I think

948
00:36:57,450 --> 00:36:55,510
we're about ready to go into another one

949
00:36:58,650 --> 00:36:57,460
where there's going to be a lot of new

950
00:37:00,540 --> 00:36:58,660
ghost hunting shows and there's going to

951
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:00,550
be a lot of new interest in the

952
00:37:06,210 --> 00:37:04,050
paranormal and a lot of unscrupulous

953
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:06,220
businesses will probably try and profit

954
00:37:08,910 --> 00:37:07,510
off of it I mean yeah all you would

955
00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:08,920
really have to do at that point would be

956
00:37:13,770 --> 00:37:11,740
to buy a building that you could kind of

957
00:37:16,260 --> 00:37:13,780
attach a story to right have this guy

958
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,270
come in and basically you know have all

959
00:37:20,910 --> 00:37:18,640
of your fake paranormal activity going

960
00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:20,920
on and you could be making a lot of

961
00:37:24,810 --> 00:37:23,500
money from it yeah exactly you might

962
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:24,820
better hope that nobody posts his

963
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,730
address on reddit or something huh his

964
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:29,680
his phone number is listed I mean I mean

965
00:37:33,930 --> 00:37:31,930
you can he actually told me I was like

966
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:33,940
you know do you have any any photos and

967
00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:35,170
I was like you know I'll blur your face

968
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:36,910
he's like you'd have to do that oh I got

969
00:37:45,210 --> 00:37:42,610
hear something about that he would only

970
00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:45,220
give up the list if it police sort of

971
00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:46,990
like yeah that's the other thing yes yes

972
00:37:51,450 --> 00:37:49,150
that I will only you know they're never

973
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,460
reveal who I work with

974
00:37:56,340 --> 00:37:53,440
unless the police come knocking with a

975
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,350
warrant so yeah man you kind of have to

976
00:38:00,780 --> 00:37:58,240
respect the guy I'm not gonna lie but at

977
00:38:02,250 --> 00:38:00,790
the same time it's extremely

978
00:38:04,170 --> 00:38:02,260
disheartening for the paranormal

979
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:04,180
community well he compares himself to

980
00:38:07,450 --> 00:38:06,730
Houdini but I think his motives are far

981
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:07,460
less all through

982
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:12,770
stick then I would say so yeah well Dana

983
00:38:17,830 --> 00:38:14,450
I wanted to bring up another article

984
00:38:22,060 --> 00:38:17,840
that I read of yours you actually

985
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:22,070
researched a modern witch trial in the

986
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:25,910
early 80s with Carole Compton could you

987
00:38:29,860 --> 00:38:27,770
tell us a little about this story this

988
00:38:32,170 --> 00:38:29,870
really intrigued me that even today

989
00:38:34,180 --> 00:38:32,180
there was a trial about someone who was

990
00:38:37,210 --> 00:38:34,190
supposedly practicing witchcraft

991
00:38:39,490 --> 00:38:37,220
yeah Carole Compton was a young woman I

992
00:38:41,110 --> 00:38:39,500
think she was Scottish and she met an

993
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:41,120
Italian man and fell in love with him

994
00:38:48,670 --> 00:38:43,970
and he decided to bring her to Italy and

995
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:48,680
she got a job as a nanny and it was a

996
00:38:53,410 --> 00:38:51,290
very religious family and some of the

997
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:53,420
family members claimed that every time

998
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:55,730
she would walk past a religious object

999
00:38:59,020 --> 00:38:57,410
it would sort of fall off the wall or it

1000
00:39:01,960 --> 00:38:59,030
would tumble over onto the ground and

1001
00:39:05,290 --> 00:39:01,970
this continued happening and and it

1002
00:39:07,810 --> 00:39:05,300
coupled with her going on vacation with

1003
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:07,820
them and a small fire starting while

1004
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,250
they were on vacation and so the family

1005
00:39:13,450 --> 00:39:12,320
eventually they didn't want to deal with

1006
00:39:15,580 --> 00:39:13,460
it and they fired her and she got

1007
00:39:17,950 --> 00:39:15,590
another job as a nanny and the same

1008
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:17,960
types of things started happening with

1009
00:39:21,250 --> 00:39:19,010
the second family

1010
00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:21,260
unfortunately the fire that started with

1011
00:39:26,530 --> 00:39:24,440
the second family was a lot bigger than

1012
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,540
the first one and it was actually in one

1013
00:39:30,250 --> 00:39:28,640
of the I think it was the daughter's

1014
00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:30,260
bedroom and it nearly burned the entire

1015
00:39:34,660 --> 00:39:32,990
house down and the police that showed up

1016
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:34,670
and the fireman that showed up

1017
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:37,210
recognized her from the first fire and

1018
00:39:42,220 --> 00:39:39,890
she was instantly arrested and they kept

1019
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:42,230
her in jail for I think about a year and

1020
00:39:48,940 --> 00:39:45,680
a half waiting for the trial and it

1021
00:39:51,730 --> 00:39:48,950
became this massive media story about

1022
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:51,740
this woman who the media sort of dubbed

1023
00:39:58,240 --> 00:39:56,000
as a witch and she had never accepted or

1024
00:40:00,100 --> 00:39:58,250
you know admitted to the fact that she

1025
00:40:01,660 --> 00:40:00,110
was a witch she never she wouldn't even

1026
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:01,670
say that she was the one starting the

1027
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:04,310
fires today what was the who was the

1028
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:05,570
paranormal investigator that tried to

1029
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:08,330
get in it was Maurice grosse it wasn't

1030
00:40:13,150 --> 00:40:10,130
her own it was guy Lyon Playfair

1031
00:40:15,010 --> 00:40:13,160
yeah man field he really only Wow yeah

1032
00:40:17,230 --> 00:40:15,020
he desperately tried to kind of get

1033
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,240
involved because he sort of you know

1034
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:19,520
felt bad for her that she had been

1035
00:40:22,780 --> 00:40:20,810
painted you know

1036
00:40:23,830 --> 00:40:22,790
in this really evil light that that she

1037
00:40:26,110 --> 00:40:23,840
had the ability to you thought it was

1038
00:40:28,180 --> 00:40:26,120
just some like latent psychokinetic yeah

1039
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:28,190
kind of thing but she was really adamant

1040
00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:30,290
about not having him involved because

1041
00:40:33,460 --> 00:40:31,940
she sort of really just wanted to say a

1042
00:40:35,380 --> 00:40:33,470
hundred percent I don't want to have any

1043
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:35,390
attachments to the paranormal because

1044
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:37,130
they don't I don't want this to you know

1045
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:38,450
change the way that people are looking

1046
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:42,410
at me so yeah she the the entire trial

1047
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:44,450
went on and it was just madness like

1048
00:40:50,290 --> 00:40:47,510
they they kept her in an iron cage in

1049
00:40:52,060 --> 00:40:50,300
the courtroom because the the everyone

1050
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:52,070
in the courtroom was so terrified of her

1051
00:40:55,660 --> 00:40:54,050
ability or psychic and you know

1052
00:40:57,010 --> 00:40:55,670
paranormal abilities that they thought

1053
00:40:59,340 --> 00:40:57,020
you know we'll keep her in this iron

1054
00:41:02,410 --> 00:40:59,350
cage so she can't do anything crazy and

1055
00:41:05,050 --> 00:41:02,420
she I think that she was charged with

1056
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:05,060
they found her guilty of arson even

1057
00:41:08,620 --> 00:41:06,530
though even though there was no evidence

1058
00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:08,630
yeah and the interesting thing is like

1059
00:41:14,770 --> 00:41:11,150
the forensics people even said that the

1060
00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:14,780
fires started in a unnatural way that

1061
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:17,180
you know that it wasn't that someone had

1062
00:41:20,380 --> 00:41:18,650
like a book of matches and they were

1063
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:20,390
like starting a fire that way they

1064
00:41:25,570 --> 00:41:22,250
couldn't really explain why these fires

1065
00:41:26,740 --> 00:41:25,580
were starting yeah so she she was they

1066
00:41:28,510 --> 00:41:26,750
relieved her because she'd pray

1067
00:41:30,370 --> 00:41:28,520
basically yes she had done it yes she

1068
00:41:33,010 --> 00:41:30,380
had served her time and she was released

1069
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:33,020
and obviously like anyone would she

1070
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:35,570
instantly booked it back to Scotland

1071
00:41:40,450 --> 00:41:38,480
yeah I think she moved to America she

1072
00:41:43,060 --> 00:41:40,460
did and I think she'd just put a book

1073
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:43,070
out she did she long ago yeah she should

1074
00:41:47,230 --> 00:41:45,110
you know sort of saying it was basically

1075
00:41:50,020 --> 00:41:47,240
her perspective on the entire thing and

1076
00:41:52,450 --> 00:41:50,030
about how for a short period of time the

1077
00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:52,460
country kind of in in the early 80s

1078
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:55,190
which is crazy became obsessed with the

1079
00:42:00,250 --> 00:41:57,890
idea that this poor woman was a witch

1080
00:42:02,770 --> 00:42:00,260
that was trying to kill children and

1081
00:42:05,020 --> 00:42:02,780
torment families and but yeah it's it's

1082
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:05,030
crazy it's absolutely insane when you

1083
00:42:08,350 --> 00:42:07,370
think that it was like 1983 I think

1084
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:08,360
that's nuts

1085
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:10,130
you don't ever think of modern stuff

1086
00:42:13,150 --> 00:42:12,110
like that you always just know less but

1087
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:13,160
I mean at the same time you know there's

1088
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:14,570
that kind of stuff going on in Africa

1089
00:42:17,260 --> 00:42:16,130
yeah like this day you know there's

1090
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:17,270
people being hacked apart because

1091
00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:20,330
they're they're bub you know Bob I know

1092
00:42:25,150 --> 00:42:22,550
people are being are being killed

1093
00:42:28,030 --> 00:42:25,160
because their parts are magic rituals

1094
00:42:30,010 --> 00:42:28,040
pieces alright so you know it's it's

1095
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:30,020
happening it's just crazy to imagine it

1096
00:42:34,330 --> 00:42:31,730
happening in a place you know this is

1097
00:42:35,830 --> 00:42:34,340
supposed to be civilized

1098
00:42:40,180 --> 00:42:35,840
something tells me she's not gonna be

1099
00:42:47,730 --> 00:42:40,190
babysitting again I'm surprised she got

1100
00:42:50,530 --> 00:42:47,740
the second nanny job to be honest yeah

1101
00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:50,540
hobbies Oh which graph do you know you

1102
00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:53,030
know yeah

1103
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:55,070
Oh one of the other articles guys that

1104
00:43:00,610 --> 00:42:56,810
really caught my attention was the black

1105
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:00,620
head black hen excuse me planchet from

1106
00:43:06,850 --> 00:43:04,310
the Ouija board so this thing burst into

1107
00:43:09,610 --> 00:43:06,860
flames if I'm correct allegedly

1108
00:43:12,250 --> 00:43:09,620
allegedly and an exorcist was called in

1109
00:43:13,780 --> 00:43:12,260
what what what what is this this is an

1110
00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:13,790
object you have in your possession

1111
00:43:19,630 --> 00:43:17,390
correct this is one that we got about a

1112
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:19,640
year and a half maybe two years ago we

1113
00:43:24,070 --> 00:43:22,160
had we were I forget where we were but

1114
00:43:25,780 --> 00:43:24,080
we were talking about the museum and

1115
00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:25,790
some of the items that we had and a

1116
00:43:30,490 --> 00:43:28,460
woman gets ahold of us after this

1117
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:30,500
interview and says I have something that

1118
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:32,570
you guys might like and it might be a

1119
00:43:38,770 --> 00:43:35,690
good addition I can go and dig it up if

1120
00:43:41,050 --> 00:43:38,780
you'd like and of course you know we we

1121
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:41,060
had to know what this thing was and this

1122
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:43,130
woman told us the story about how when

1123
00:43:48,670 --> 00:43:45,110
she was a lot younger this was back in

1124
00:43:51,550 --> 00:43:48,680
the 90s her and her brother went out to

1125
00:43:54,190 --> 00:43:51,560
Bachelor's Grove Cemetery which is it's

1126
00:43:56,020 --> 00:43:54,200
a legendary haunted location there's a

1127
00:43:58,500 --> 00:43:56,030
really famous photograph of the the

1128
00:44:02,280 --> 00:43:58,510
Madonna of Bachelor's Grove this this

1129
00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:02,290
ghostly woman sitting on a tombstone and

1130
00:44:07,110 --> 00:44:04,790
this was a place where there were all

1131
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:07,120
these rumors that the mob from Chicago

1132
00:44:14,020 --> 00:44:10,160
used to dump their bodies in this pond

1133
00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:14,030
nearby and so her and her brother went

1134
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:15,950
out there to speak to the dead mobsters

1135
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:19,040
and as they were out there her brother

1136
00:44:22,540 --> 00:44:20,240
and a friend

1137
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:22,550
they'd snuck out there in the cemetery

1138
00:44:27,220 --> 00:44:25,760
it was in a bad area and and they start

1139
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:27,230
to notice strange things there's there's

1140
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,010
the shadow people walking around and the

1141
00:44:36,460 --> 00:44:33,440
the planchette would only spell out

1142
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:36,470
black hen black hen over and over and

1143
00:44:43,150 --> 00:44:39,290
over and then the board started to smoke

1144
00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:43,160
and it's caught on fire and they freaked

1145
00:44:47,590 --> 00:44:46,760
out and they ran away as you do and came

1146
00:44:49,660 --> 00:44:47,600
back the next day

1147
00:44:51,310 --> 00:44:49,670
to collect the board because they

1148
00:44:53,350 --> 00:44:51,320
couldn't believe what happened and when

1149
00:44:55,930 --> 00:44:53,360
they found the board the board is half

1150
00:44:58,990 --> 00:44:55,940
burned the planchette is melted and

1151
00:45:01,450 --> 00:44:59,000
twisted and they said holy crap we need

1152
00:45:03,490 --> 00:45:01,460
to show our parents and they took it

1153
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:03,500
home and they showed their parents their

1154
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:05,450
parents got furious because not only had

1155
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:07,130
they snuck out but they went to a really

1156
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:10,370
bad part of town and they were sick of

1157
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:11,810
these kids playing with the Ouija board

1158
00:45:16,540 --> 00:45:14,570
so they did all the time and so they

1159
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:16,550
threw in the trash grounded the kids and

1160
00:45:20,650 --> 00:45:19,040
that was that except the next morning

1161
00:45:22,030 --> 00:45:20,660
they woke up and the board in the

1162
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:22,040
planchette are in the middle of the

1163
00:45:26,820 --> 00:45:24,710
living room ashes everywhere they blamed

1164
00:45:29,380 --> 00:45:26,830
it on the dog threw it in the trash and

1165
00:45:31,090 --> 00:45:29,390
took the trash out to the garage of

1166
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:31,100
course the next day it's back in the

1167
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:31,760
living room

1168
00:45:36,820 --> 00:45:34,130
after this happened they started to

1169
00:45:38,380 --> 00:45:36,830
experience you know strange knocks on

1170
00:45:40,930 --> 00:45:38,390
the wall the brothers started to get

1171
00:45:42,670 --> 00:45:40,940
strange nosebleeds all of their fire

1172
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:42,680
alarms would start to go off in sequence

1173
00:45:48,820 --> 00:45:45,410
a lot of really really strange things

1174
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:48,830
and it got so bad that I think was less

1175
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:51,770
than a month they decided to seek some

1176
00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:54,890
religious intervention and they weren't

1177
00:45:59,620 --> 00:45:56,510
really church-going people they didn't

1178
00:46:02,050 --> 00:45:59,630
know who to who to get in to do

1179
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:02,060
something like this so their mother

1180
00:46:07,810 --> 00:46:04,370
called their grandmother and she

1181
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:07,820
suggested her her priest or her bishop

1182
00:46:16,180 --> 00:46:12,110
at it was a Roman Orthodox chair Greek

1183
00:46:19,210 --> 00:46:16,190
Orthodox Church and he came by and did

1184
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:19,220
an exorcism on this place that ended

1185
00:46:25,540 --> 00:46:23,210
with him taking this planchette wrapping

1186
00:46:29,010 --> 00:46:25,550
it up blessing it and burying it in

1187
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:29,020
their backyard and it sat there for

1188
00:46:36,910 --> 00:46:32,210
20-25 years and then she dug it up and

1189
00:46:39,220 --> 00:46:36,920
sent it to us and so far nothing too

1190
00:46:41,890 --> 00:46:39,230
crazy it's it's you know the only time

1191
00:46:43,350 --> 00:46:41,900
we've ever really heard anything was we

1192
00:46:45,730 --> 00:46:43,360
have a little glass case and

1193
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:45,740
occasionally it sounds like maybe it's

1194
00:46:50,620 --> 00:46:47,930
moving around in the case but it's never

1195
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,630
been anything more than that I would

1196
00:46:54,730 --> 00:46:52,640
love to be in you guys's home and just

1197
00:46:56,290 --> 00:46:54,740
you know I have nothing on no TV no

1198
00:46:59,110 --> 00:46:56,300
radio just sit on the couch and just

1199
00:47:00,730 --> 00:46:59,120
listen for things well we'd see how long

1200
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:00,740
it would take before everybody's huddled

1201
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:01,370
in one room

1202
00:47:07,870 --> 00:47:05,450
yeah I mean do you guys feel like you

1203
00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:07,880
know I mean if you're home do you ever

1204
00:47:12,910 --> 00:47:10,460
feel strange where you're like I really

1205
00:47:14,530 --> 00:47:12,920
would like to have the TV on or I have

1206
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:14,540
some music on or something do you ever

1207
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:17,210
feel like that or is that I mean you're

1208
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:19,910
so used to it by now yes yes that's I

1209
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:22,250
mean we sleep with the television every

1210
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:24,770
night do you really oh yeah oh yeah we

1211
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:26,450
have to we would never get any sleep oh

1212
00:47:32,740 --> 00:47:31,130
my gosh it's always something I mean it

1213
00:47:34,750 --> 00:47:32,750
and it again you know like I said

1214
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:34,760
earlier it's it's mostly benign it's

1215
00:47:39,850 --> 00:47:37,370
it's never anything really is bothersome

1216
00:47:42,460 --> 00:47:39,860
and I think that because we've we've set

1217
00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:42,470
these this precedent where we said we're

1218
00:47:46,330 --> 00:47:44,270
gonna share our space we want to

1219
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:46,340
understand you we want to help you

1220
00:47:50,590 --> 00:47:48,650
because of that I think a lot of these

1221
00:47:53,470 --> 00:47:50,600
things take it easy on us

1222
00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:53,480
yeah and you know there are other things

1223
00:47:58,780 --> 00:47:56,540
again like the Kron where it has to be

1224
00:48:00,820 --> 00:47:58,790
it has to be locked up and it's not

1225
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:00,830
something that will play nice with other

1226
00:48:05,890 --> 00:48:03,770
things and we are going to have to take

1227
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:05,900
it back we're gonna have to try and take

1228
00:48:13,210 --> 00:48:10,130
it home you're scheduled for that or the

1229
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:13,220
problem is so the guys who found it I

1230
00:48:17,830 --> 00:48:16,250
only spoke to them on reddit and they

1231
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:17,840
had made a throwaway account it was the

1232
00:48:22,420 --> 00:48:20,210
one guy he'd made a throwaway okay and

1233
00:48:24,340 --> 00:48:22,430
I've tried to contact him at least a

1234
00:48:26,380 --> 00:48:24,350
dozen times since then and I get

1235
00:48:27,850 --> 00:48:26,390
absolutely no response so my hope is

1236
00:48:29,380 --> 00:48:27,860
that eventually he'll log into that

1237
00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:29,390
someday and I'm sure he's gonna be just

1238
00:48:34,930 --> 00:48:32,270
overwhelmed with the responses and and

1239
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:34,940
will get back to me because while I know

1240
00:48:39,820 --> 00:48:37,910
the general area it was found without

1241
00:48:42,070 --> 00:48:39,830
their help it's gonna take a lot of

1242
00:48:44,170 --> 00:48:42,080
footwork to figure out that we never

1243
00:48:49,690 --> 00:48:44,180
want to like accidentally bring it to

1244
00:48:52,420 --> 00:48:49,700
the wrong place and sort of if we if we

1245
00:48:54,270 --> 00:48:52,430
like you know the idea is we can leave

1246
00:48:56,170 --> 00:48:54,280
it where it is but that problem is I

1247
00:48:57,970 --> 00:48:56,180
can't I don't want to put too many

1248
00:48:59,470 --> 00:48:57,980
details about where we think this

1249
00:49:00,880 --> 00:48:59,480
thing's from online because I know it'll

1250
00:49:02,020 --> 00:49:00,890
happen if we take it back someone else

1251
00:49:02,860 --> 00:49:02,030
will just go looking for it right yes

1252
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:02,870
yeah of course

1253
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:04,850
and and then who knows maybe that maybe

1254
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,890
it'll still continue to happen to us

1255
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:08,960
because we didn't do anything correctly

1256
00:49:14,740 --> 00:49:11,330
we didn't yeah exact or the people who

1257
00:49:16,050 --> 00:49:14,750
took it will go back and and they'll be

1258
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:16,060
the ones left

1259
00:49:20,740 --> 00:49:19,250
right does it perpetuate everything

1260
00:49:23,050 --> 00:49:20,750
because this in the Catskills just

1261
00:49:25,630 --> 00:49:23,060
covered with caves and and holes and

1262
00:49:28,330 --> 00:49:25,640
little yeah I would be that would be a

1263
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:28,340
tall order to find the right place yeah

1264
00:49:32,170 --> 00:49:30,890
I mean the the place where it was found

1265
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:32,180
you know Dana and I have different

1266
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:34,370
opinions on what this thing was created

1267
00:49:37,660 --> 00:49:36,110
for I mean it's clear looking at it it

1268
00:49:40,510 --> 00:49:37,670
probably wasn't very nice whatever it

1269
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:40,520
was yeah what the the location was found

1270
00:49:46,060 --> 00:49:43,310
I mean it's it has some ties to to

1271
00:49:49,210 --> 00:49:46,070
old-school witchcraft you know a lot of

1272
00:49:51,340 --> 00:49:49,220
the buildings in that area are you know

1273
00:49:53,740 --> 00:49:51,350
colonial buildings that still have

1274
00:49:56,140 --> 00:49:53,750
spikes in the chimneys to keep the

1275
00:49:58,030 --> 00:49:56,150
witches from crawling down at night okay

1276
00:50:00,580 --> 00:49:58,040
I didn't know that that was like sort of

1277
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:00,590
the you know the symbology of the spikes

1278
00:50:06,130 --> 00:50:03,650
that's interesting I think my my

1279
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:06,140
impression is I really do think that

1280
00:50:10,810 --> 00:50:09,200
whoever created this thing I think it's

1281
00:50:14,380 --> 00:50:10,820
been used multiple times for multiple

1282
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:14,390
purposes probably by multiple people who

1283
00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:16,250
use the cave as a ritual space and I

1284
00:50:21,370 --> 00:50:17,990
think that they were probably calling

1285
00:50:24,010 --> 00:50:21,380
upon the spirit of a witch or who they

1286
00:50:27,490 --> 00:50:24,020
believed was a witch to do their bidding

1287
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:27,500
some way or some form I think that it

1288
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:30,110
was possibly made sort of the same way

1289
00:50:35,610 --> 00:50:32,090
that we would kind of put gargoyles on

1290
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:35,620
the outside of buildings sort of like I

1291
00:50:40,660 --> 00:50:38,690
think the cave was probably definitely

1292
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:40,670
being used by some kind of magical

1293
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,910
practitioner and maybe the the statue

1294
00:50:49,860 --> 00:50:45,680
itself was sort of sort of put there to

1295
00:50:52,450 --> 00:50:49,870
ward off other people or evil spirits or

1296
00:50:54,490 --> 00:50:52,460
anything really and sort of and these

1297
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:54,500
guys wandered in and took this thing

1298
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,000
which is kind of like the equivalent of

1299
00:50:59,890 --> 00:50:58,160
sort of desecrating Acheron Shores

1300
00:51:01,930 --> 00:50:59,900
something like that just trying to

1301
00:51:04,420 --> 00:51:01,940
imagine what was going on that cave is

1302
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:04,430
is witchcraft that might create the

1303
00:51:08,650 --> 00:51:06,770
Crone for whatever reason is that

1304
00:51:10,540 --> 00:51:08,660
usually tied to some kind of a blood

1305
00:51:13,210 --> 00:51:10,550
sacrifice like killing a chicken or

1306
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:13,220
whatever in that cave at the same time I

1307
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:15,290
mean it absolutely could be I mean

1308
00:51:19,630 --> 00:51:16,610
that's part of the problem is we don't

1309
00:51:21,610 --> 00:51:19,640
know exactly what the purpose was or who

1310
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:21,620
put it there you know we don't know what

1311
00:51:24,670 --> 00:51:23,330
exactly they were practicing a lot of

1312
00:51:26,620 --> 00:51:24,680
people look at it and they think well

1313
00:51:28,060 --> 00:51:26,630
that's probably some kind of Voodoo but

1314
00:51:29,230 --> 00:51:28,070
I really don't think that's the case

1315
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:29,240
because you

1316
00:51:33,010 --> 00:51:31,250
I don't think that the Catskill

1317
00:51:36,250 --> 00:51:33,020
Mountains have a deep-blue do history

1318
00:51:39,730 --> 00:51:36,260
right I think it's probably more some

1319
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:39,740
kind of Appalachian folk magic going on

1320
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,530
and you know that that does occasionally

1321
00:51:46,450 --> 00:51:44,240
call for you know some kind of a blood

1322
00:51:48,310 --> 00:51:46,460
sacrifice you know we we sprayed it with

1323
00:51:51,010 --> 00:51:48,320
luminol and it hasn't lit lit up so

1324
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:51,020
there's probably no blood off there's

1325
00:51:58,030 --> 00:51:54,910
that not that this may even be

1326
00:52:00,460 --> 00:51:58,040
applicable for any reason but have you

1327
00:52:02,620 --> 00:52:00,470
guys maybe thought about dating it or

1328
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:02,630
seeing what the age of it is I don't

1329
00:52:06,250 --> 00:52:04,160
like I said I don't that even narrowly

1330
00:52:08,650 --> 00:52:06,260
matters but that's something that we've

1331
00:52:11,830 --> 00:52:08,660
tried to do and what's interesting is

1332
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:11,840
the carving itself is clearly the oldest

1333
00:52:17,590 --> 00:52:14,810
piece of it it's pretty weathered it's

1334
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,600
been out there for a while but the nails

1335
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,000
are a little bit newer so they're not

1336
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:22,400
quite as old as the wood and the noose

1337
00:52:27,010 --> 00:52:25,520
is even newer than the nails which kind

1338
00:52:29,650 --> 00:52:27,020
of is why it leads me to believe that

1339
00:52:32,530 --> 00:52:29,660
this piece for whatever reason has been

1340
00:52:34,210 --> 00:52:32,540
used numerous times probably for

1341
00:52:36,310 --> 00:52:34,220
different purpose different people yeah

1342
00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:36,320
sort of your generation yeah exactly

1343
00:52:42,820 --> 00:52:40,030
it's like being built upon each

1344
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:42,830
interesting Wow Greg well you didn't

1345
00:52:48,910 --> 00:52:44,930
have a TV fall on your head

1346
00:52:51,790 --> 00:52:48,920
thank God um you did have a pretty

1347
00:52:54,130 --> 00:52:51,800
interesting experience at the Ohio State

1348
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:54,140
Reformatory and I thought this would be

1349
00:52:59,500 --> 00:52:57,200
a good way to end the conversation you

1350
00:53:01,420 --> 00:52:59,510
gotta tell us about this man it's rare

1351
00:53:04,510 --> 00:53:01,430
to find evidence of paranormal activity

1352
00:53:06,730 --> 00:53:04,520
in real time but you had a very visceral

1353
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:06,740
experience so could you tell us a little

1354
00:53:12,070 --> 00:53:08,810
about what that experience was and how

1355
00:53:14,260 --> 00:53:12,080
it changed your beliefs we were at a

1356
00:53:15,940 --> 00:53:14,270
high OH State Reformatory about what was

1357
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:15,950
it a year ago a little over year little

1358
00:53:21,730 --> 00:53:19,490
over a year ago and you know to set this

1359
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:21,740
up I need to say I've been I've been

1360
00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:24,890
ghost hunting for nearly 20 years and in

1361
00:53:28,990 --> 00:53:26,390
that time I've seen some very strange

1362
00:53:32,859 --> 00:53:29,000
things I've heard some strange things

1363
00:53:37,180 --> 00:53:32,869
but I've never been what I would say is

1364
00:53:38,410 --> 00:53:37,190
is harmed okay I've never had these you

1365
00:53:39,609 --> 00:53:38,420
know one of the big things that happens

1366
00:53:40,580 --> 00:53:39,619
to people is you know somebody gets

1367
00:53:42,860 --> 00:53:40,590
scratched

1368
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:42,870
in an in a building and it's you know oh

1369
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:45,210
my god I've got scratched it's a demon

1370
00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:47,970
etc etc nothing like that has ever

1371
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:50,040
happened to me until a high OH State

1372
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:52,890
Reformatory Ohio State Reformatory I

1373
00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:54,810
mean a lot of people will recognize it

1374
00:54:00,110 --> 00:53:57,420
from Shawshank Redemption it's it's a

1375
00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:00,120
place that I can say I really do truly

1376
00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:01,680
believe is haunted I think there's stuff

1377
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,760
going on there

1378
00:54:09,050 --> 00:54:04,800
I think it's really active but this

1379
00:54:11,810 --> 00:54:09,060
night we had this special guest that was

1380
00:54:14,810 --> 00:54:11,820
there and his name was Michael and he

1381
00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:14,820
was a former inmate when the place was

1382
00:54:18,740 --> 00:54:17,460
still running and he said I want to take

1383
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:18,750
you guys to a place that most people

1384
00:54:21,830 --> 00:54:20,280
don't go I'm gonna take you to the chair

1385
00:54:24,350 --> 00:54:21,840
room and he said there's something in

1386
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:24,360
the chair room it's an entity and we you

1387
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:25,380
know we know each other

1388
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:26,850
and so we're like okay yeah absolutely

1389
00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:28,890
we're not gonna pass this up so we

1390
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:30,780
follow this guy upstairs to this

1391
00:54:36,740 --> 00:54:33,450
windowless room that they think might

1392
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:36,750
have been used for like almost was a

1393
00:54:42,860 --> 00:54:39,690
Masonic Masonic rituals at one point

1394
00:54:45,650 --> 00:54:42,870
it's shaped shaped like an octagon yeah

1395
00:54:47,810 --> 00:54:45,660
no windows in it it's it's a very and

1396
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:47,820
it's also the very center point of the

1397
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:50,880
entire building building okay right in

1398
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:52,410
the middle of the room was this big old

1399
00:54:57,230 --> 00:54:54,810
wooden chair and as we walk into the

1400
00:54:59,090 --> 00:54:57,240
room it was me and there was almost half

1401
00:55:00,980 --> 00:54:59,100
a dozen people in the room with us he

1402
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:00,990
walks up to this chair and he kicks it

1403
00:55:04,460 --> 00:55:02,490
with his foot and he slides it across

1404
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:04,470
the room and he started to yell at this

1405
00:55:10,430 --> 00:55:08,130
entity and I'm I'm definitely not a guy

1406
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:10,440
who likes to go into places to provoke

1407
00:55:14,510 --> 00:55:12,000
these things like I said I don't like to

1408
00:55:17,810 --> 00:55:14,520
make enemies particularly paranormal

1409
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:17,820
ones and he walks in he starts yelling

1410
00:55:23,300 --> 00:55:20,160
at this stuff and I'm just watching it

1411
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:23,310
happen and then all of a sudden I feel

1412
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:26,310
somebody push me and this is going on at

1413
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:28,110
a ghost hunting event there were 200

1414
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,690
people if not more and I thought oh it's

1415
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:31,920
just another ghost hunter trying to

1416
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:34,050
trying to get by me I turned around

1417
00:55:39,290 --> 00:55:37,260
there's just a wall behind me I have no

1418
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,300
idea what just happened but somebody

1419
00:55:43,010 --> 00:55:41,520
definitely pushed me they pushed me as

1420
00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:43,020
if they were trying to get by in a hurry

1421
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:45,600
and so I told everybody I noted what

1422
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,210
happened and about five minutes later I

1423
00:55:52,590 --> 00:55:50,160
start to feel this intense burning

1424
00:55:55,140 --> 00:55:52,600
sensation on my back right

1425
00:55:58,500 --> 00:55:55,150
where I was pushed again I just as

1426
00:56:00,360 --> 00:55:58,510
calmly as I can I say my back feels like

1427
00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:00,370
it's on fire I don't know what's

1428
00:56:04,290 --> 00:56:02,830
happening here and Mike turns and he

1429
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,300
looks at me and he says you got tagged I

1430
00:56:08,190 --> 00:56:06,400
said what do you mean he said it happens

1431
00:56:11,130 --> 00:56:08,200
all the time he's like you got scratched

1432
00:56:12,330 --> 00:56:11,140
he's like lift up your shirt and I'm at

1433
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:12,340
the time I was wearing a leather jacket

1434
00:56:17,370 --> 00:56:15,490
I tried to figure out did I rub against

1435
00:56:19,710 --> 00:56:17,380
something yeah you have to remember to

1436
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:19,720
also I was filming the entire yeah this

1437
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:22,480
this whole thing's on film okay getting

1438
00:56:26,310 --> 00:56:25,090
to I think from the moment we enter the

1439
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:26,320
room to the moment we leave the room

1440
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:28,210
there's a full cut of the whole thing

1441
00:56:33,420 --> 00:56:30,970
and the moment that Greg gets sort of

1442
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:33,430
pushed is actually on film yeah it's

1443
00:56:37,980 --> 00:56:35,110
full view like you can tell there's no

1444
00:56:39,900 --> 00:56:37,990
shenanigans and again there's there's a

1445
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:39,910
half a dozen people in here watching all

1446
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:42,730
this happen and I pull up my my jacket

1447
00:56:47,220 --> 00:56:45,040
my shirt and there are these three long

1448
00:56:49,710 --> 00:56:47,230
red marks that go all the way down my

1449
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:49,720
back and everybody starts freaking out

1450
00:56:55,230 --> 00:56:52,690
and I'm I'm I'm trying to figure out

1451
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:55,240
what in the world happened did I scratch

1452
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:57,760
myself on something the weirdest part

1453
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:00,160
about these scratches though which I've

1454
00:57:05,490 --> 00:57:03,040
come to find is is pretty common in a

1455
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:05,500
lot of people who Isis I truly do think

1456
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:08,650
are genuine they weren't actually

1457
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:12,850
scratches these were raised marks almost

1458
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:14,530
as if someone had come up and slapped

1459
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:16,450
you across the back really hard like a

1460
00:57:19,710 --> 00:57:17,110
welt

1461
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:19,720
yeah well felt almost like a burn so the

1462
00:57:25,170 --> 00:57:21,490
skin wasn't broken there was no blood

1463
00:57:26,970 --> 00:57:25,180
and within an hour hour and a half of

1464
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:26,980
after I'd left the building they were

1465
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:29,680
gone completely gone no trace it's I

1466
00:57:33,540 --> 00:57:32,290
mean I roll this over in my head over

1467
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,550
and over and over to try to figure out

1468
00:57:38,010 --> 00:57:35,200
what this could have been how this could

1469
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:38,020
have happened and and we've been back

1470
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,930
since then and and nothing nothing no I

1471
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:42,400
don't even get it I don't even get in

1472
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:43,690
the weird thing was like I wasn't even

1473
00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:45,010
getting a weird feeling when I was in

1474
00:57:49,830 --> 00:57:46,990
there before when when oh it was going

1475
00:57:53,220 --> 00:57:49,840
down I was mostly wigging out because I

1476
00:57:54,810 --> 00:57:53,230
how upset this guy was getting and how

1477
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:54,820
aggressive he was getting while he was

1478
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,010
riling this thing up I didn't feel

1479
00:58:01,540 --> 00:57:59,200
anything supernatural happening I you

1480
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:01,550
know I'm psychic as a rock but

1481
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:04,400
I you know everybody knows when you're

1482
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:06,290
in a weird situation - the hair stands

1483
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:07,490
up on your neck and you feel a little

1484
00:58:11,470 --> 00:58:08,960
strange I didn't feel any of that it

1485
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:11,480
just can of nowhere and I've not felt it

1486
00:58:16,290 --> 00:58:13,970
I've not felt it there since so I don't

1487
00:58:18,310 --> 00:58:16,300
know exactly what happened but it was

1488
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:18,320
was the one of the strangest things

1489
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:20,210
that's ever happened to me Wow didn't

1490
00:58:23,860 --> 00:58:22,250
have you had an experience anywhere

1491
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:23,870
close to that and where something

1492
00:58:30,820 --> 00:58:27,290
physically attacked you I don't I mean I

1493
00:58:33,340 --> 00:58:30,830
felt like tugs on my clothing and maybe

1494
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:33,350
my hair and I mean a few of those times

1495
00:58:36,820 --> 00:58:35,210
they've been in a kind of really

1496
00:58:39,250 --> 00:58:36,830
terrifying situations where I've been by

1497
00:58:43,210 --> 00:58:39,260
myself but I've never I've never been

1498
00:58:44,740 --> 00:58:43,220
scratched or pushed or what I felt you

1499
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:44,750
know would be like harmed I've never

1500
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:46,490
experienced anything like that so even

1501
00:58:51,010 --> 00:58:48,770
for me like watching this thing kind of

1502
00:58:52,930 --> 00:58:51,020
unfold I think I'm the most hysterical

1503
00:58:54,850 --> 00:58:52,940
person in the video because I was like

1504
00:58:56,290 --> 00:58:54,860
I'm like trying to film everything and

1505
00:58:58,360 --> 00:58:56,300
then I'm worried about him like I'm like

1506
00:59:00,910 --> 00:58:58,370
oh he just done like literally this huge

1507
00:59:03,700 --> 00:59:00,920
scratch down his back so yeah I know it

1508
00:59:05,650 --> 00:59:03,710
was it was very over it was an

1509
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:05,660
incredibly overwhelming experience

1510
00:59:10,690 --> 00:59:08,570
because it came out of nowhere and none

1511
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:10,700
of us could explain what happened but no

1512
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:12,110
luckily I mean I've never had anything

1513
00:59:17,830 --> 00:59:14,000
like that it happened to me personally

1514
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:17,840
and I hate to keep circling back to your

1515
00:59:23,020 --> 00:59:20,480
home but it's fascinating what you guys

1516
00:59:25,090 --> 00:59:23,030
go through at your house and the whole

1517
00:59:26,530 --> 00:59:25,100
TV on at night thing that's that's

1518
00:59:29,770 --> 00:59:26,540
fascinating I hadn't heard that before

1519
00:59:31,450 --> 00:59:29,780
so do you guys get your dana d get your

1520
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:31,460
hair touched at home do you get little

1521
00:59:35,350 --> 00:59:32,930
taps or is there anything like that

1522
00:59:37,630 --> 00:59:35,360
going on at your house yeah I mean we do

1523
00:59:39,550 --> 00:59:37,640
experience I we just recently I think it

1524
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:39,560
was like two nights ago both of us

1525
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:42,530
thought we saw something and it was at

1526
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,480
different times and we we kind of like

1527
00:59:48,220 --> 00:59:46,640
you know came together and said what did

1528
00:59:51,610 --> 00:59:48,230
it look like and we sort of were able to

1529
00:59:53,890 --> 00:59:51,620
say something very similar oh my god we

1530
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:53,900
had we recently had some friends of ours

1531
01:00:00,310 --> 00:59:57,040
give us some nails from the Washoe club

1532
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:00,320
and so we were like okay well this is

1533
01:00:03,460 --> 01:00:02,090
the newest thing that we've introduced

1534
01:00:04,930 --> 01:00:03,470
so let's in these four nails they had

1535
01:00:08,380 --> 01:00:04,940
been thrown I've been here I've been

1536
01:00:10,510 --> 01:00:08,390
thrown by an invisible force so we

1537
01:00:13,630 --> 01:00:10,520
thought maybe we as we as we try to

1538
01:00:14,980 --> 01:00:13,640
deduce what was going on yeah we we

1539
01:00:16,510 --> 01:00:14,990
think it was the nails but

1540
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:16,520
we did lock them up and they're in the

1541
01:00:20,980 --> 01:00:19,250
they're locked away and we have not

1542
01:00:23,590 --> 01:00:20,990
experienced anything like that since

1543
01:00:28,330 --> 01:00:23,600
then so so you thought it was the flaw

1544
01:00:30,970 --> 01:00:28,340
it was the nails that were flying out in

1545
01:00:32,740 --> 01:00:30,980
on display before for all before we

1546
01:00:35,410 --> 01:00:32,750
started to both see the same thing and

1547
01:00:36,220 --> 01:00:35,420
so after that we put them back but I

1548
01:00:37,810 --> 01:00:36,230
mean there's always there's always

1549
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,820
something we just got a we just got a

1550
01:00:43,390 --> 01:00:40,160
drum that was used to conjure Lowa

1551
01:00:45,220 --> 01:00:43,400
in voodoo ceremonies and this was given

1552
01:00:47,290 --> 01:00:45,230
to our book to us by a friend John Teddy

1553
01:00:51,850 --> 01:00:47,300
he literally handed it to me and said

1554
01:00:53,740 --> 01:00:51,860
don't ever play this like I like just

1555
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:53,750
stood there holding it in my hand like I

1556
01:00:57,850 --> 01:00:55,760
I don't even want to be holding right

1557
01:01:01,180 --> 01:00:57,860
you're like John don't worry I will not

1558
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:01,190
play this ever there's a box for this

1559
01:01:05,620 --> 01:01:03,050
thing yes where we keep it locked up and

1560
01:01:08,170 --> 01:01:05,630
yet we will be sitting in the living

1561
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:08,180
room and we will hear it play right

1562
01:01:14,260 --> 01:01:10,640
between us yeah it was like two weeks

1563
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:14,270
ago I literally heard a drum play about

1564
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:16,160
a foot in front of my face and there was

1565
01:01:20,650 --> 01:01:18,710
nothing I mean it was it was there was

1566
01:01:22,359 --> 01:01:20,660
no way to mistake what it was and it was

1567
01:01:24,010 --> 01:01:22,369
just it was like dude it dude

1568
01:01:26,380 --> 01:01:24,020
yeah and it always does the same thing

1569
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:26,390
like doo doo doo doo and I tried some

1570
01:01:33,820 --> 01:01:29,650
experiments with it weeks ago we played

1571
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:33,830
like drum Suresh Babu do like drum beats

1572
01:01:37,420 --> 01:01:35,690
and the and it was actually heating up

1573
01:01:41,050 --> 01:01:37,430
like that it was the temperature was

1574
01:01:42,190 --> 01:01:41,060
rising my drum itself yeah so there's

1575
01:01:44,740 --> 01:01:42,200
something there's something with that

1576
01:01:47,890 --> 01:01:44,750
dry I mean the story behind it was it

1577
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:47,900
actually belonged to a family that was

1578
01:01:53,380 --> 01:01:50,930
deeply into voodoo and they would use it

1579
01:01:54,910 --> 01:01:53,390
to conjure up the Lowa but they started

1580
01:01:58,270 --> 01:01:54,920
to get an entity that they called

1581
01:02:00,370 --> 01:01:58,280
criminal the arm twister and he would

1582
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:00,380
come in uninvited quite often so the

1583
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:03,200
first drum they they actually sank to

1584
01:02:08,260 --> 01:02:05,570
the bottom of the Detroit River and this

1585
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:08,270
was the second drum they'd used and it

1586
01:02:13,570 --> 01:02:10,730
started to happen the same exact way and

1587
01:02:16,030 --> 01:02:13,580
they just abandoned it at the of one of

1588
01:02:17,859 --> 01:02:16,040
Detroit's biggest like magic ritual

1589
01:02:20,530 --> 01:02:17,869
shops where you get ritual ingredients

1590
01:02:24,070 --> 01:02:20,540
and that's actually she was a friend of

1591
01:02:25,810 --> 01:02:24,080
our friend Tenny and he'd been in the

1592
01:02:26,859 --> 01:02:25,820
the magic shop recently and they said

1593
01:02:29,019 --> 01:02:26,869
you know your friend left this thing

1594
01:02:31,630 --> 01:02:29,029
here and she has not come

1595
01:02:35,140 --> 01:02:31,640
to get it in years you want to take it

1596
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:35,150
and it he was actually even telling us

1597
01:02:40,269 --> 01:02:36,890
that the spot where he was storing the

1598
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:40,279
drum the drum was was started to act up

1599
01:02:47,229 --> 01:02:45,529
come on reason he gave it to it reacts

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01:02:50,890 --> 01:02:47,239
to when you play like something from

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01:02:53,439 --> 01:02:50,900
YouTube of foo do traditional voodoo

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01:02:54,729 --> 01:02:53,449
drum beats and we started to play it and

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01:02:57,609 --> 01:02:54,739
I mean you can watch it we were watching

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01:02:59,859 --> 01:02:57,619
on a FLIR heat up while this while this

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01:03:02,309 --> 01:02:59,869
drumming and even touch like you go yes

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01:03:05,849 --> 01:03:02,319
you can feel them you can feel it oh

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01:03:08,979 --> 01:03:05,859
yeah wow it was like a physical reaction

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01:03:10,959 --> 01:03:08,989
from a meeting now we just have to like

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not play it because it's so tempting

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01:03:16,359 --> 01:03:13,549
have you ever have you ever once just

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01:03:21,729 --> 01:03:16,369
thumped it just one ring you know he did

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01:03:24,999 --> 01:03:21,739
cannot even believe he was talking about

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01:03:27,669 --> 01:03:25,009
it and he he took his finger and like

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01:03:35,289 --> 01:03:27,679
gesture to it and he went and he tapped

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01:03:42,939 --> 01:03:35,299
the top of the drum and I just play the

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01:03:43,779 --> 01:03:42,949
drum like it I don't know if it works

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01:03:45,429 --> 01:03:43,789
that way

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01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:45,439
rhythmic rhythm kind of way I don't know

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01:03:54,669 --> 01:03:52,729
hope don't touch the items I was just

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01:03:59,499 --> 01:03:54,679
gonna say every time you get an item you

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01:04:01,329 --> 01:03:59,509
must get used to hearing don't ever know

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01:04:05,949 --> 01:04:01,339
what we hear the most is this is my

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01:04:08,349 --> 01:04:05,959
favorite is it's your problem now it's

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01:04:11,199 --> 01:04:08,359
your prize well is there like one item

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01:04:14,529 --> 01:04:11,209
out there that you you just want so bad

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01:04:16,269 --> 01:04:14,539
you know the way that I look at it is I

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01:04:17,769 --> 01:04:16,279
try not to have any expectations about

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01:04:20,259 --> 01:04:17,779
that kind of thing because I feel like

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01:04:21,729 --> 01:04:20,269
the longer we do this the more things

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01:04:24,459 --> 01:04:21,739
just kind of find their way to us in

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01:04:27,579 --> 01:04:24,469
strange ways so we we get what we're

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01:04:29,739 --> 01:04:27,589
supposed to have and so I try not to put

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01:04:31,269 --> 01:04:29,749
out again I really do think that most

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01:04:32,829 --> 01:04:31,279
everything that we experience in the

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01:04:35,709 --> 01:04:32,839
paranormal and I think that a lot of

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01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:35,719
this has to do with with all facets of

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01:04:39,279 --> 01:04:36,799
anything that could be considered

1638
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:39,289
paranormal you know Bigfoot even you

1639
01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:41,119
know things like alien abduction I think

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01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:42,470
a lot of this stuff

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01:04:48,490 --> 01:04:45,890
on your will and your intent and you

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01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:48,500
draw things to you I really do believe

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01:04:54,790 --> 01:04:51,920
that you draw things to you and I try to

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01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:54,800
be very careful about my intentions so

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01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:56,240
when it comes to things like haunted

1646
01:05:00,609 --> 01:04:58,010
objects I try not to think too much

1647
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:00,619
about what I wish I had mm-hm

1648
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:03,650
it doesn't really it doesn't really work

1649
01:05:10,359 --> 01:05:06,770
that way you know it's we get what is

1650
01:05:12,579 --> 01:05:10,369
supposed to find us and we we consider

1651
01:05:14,620 --> 01:05:12,589
ourselves more as caretakers of these

1652
01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:14,630
objects not owners we're just the

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01:05:18,970 --> 01:05:17,359
caretakers and if we can help whatever

1654
01:05:20,589 --> 01:05:18,980
is attached to them in some way shape or

1655
01:05:23,260 --> 01:05:20,599
form then you know that's what we want

1656
01:05:25,450 --> 01:05:23,270
to do but yeah I don't know we get what

1657
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:25,460
we need to have I guess well I would

1658
01:05:30,849 --> 01:05:27,890
just like to say you are probably one of

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01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:30,859
the ballsiest couples in Ohio and

1660
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:32,810
probably have one of the coolest houses

1661
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:35,450
so I just have to say that I didn't know

1662
01:05:42,550 --> 01:05:38,319
about all the other stuff going on very

1663
01:05:44,740 --> 01:05:42,560
very very cool where is the best place

1664
01:05:46,990 --> 01:05:44,750
for folks to find you and please tell

1665
01:05:48,370 --> 01:05:47,000
everyone about the live feed and the

1666
01:05:50,349 --> 01:05:48,380
best place to find that as well

1667
01:05:51,819 --> 01:05:50,359
yeah if people are interested in the

1668
01:05:54,130 --> 01:05:51,829
traveling Museum or they want to come

1669
01:05:57,370 --> 01:05:54,140
and see this for themselves we do events

1670
01:06:00,880 --> 01:05:57,380
all over the country every month at

1671
01:06:03,220 --> 01:06:00,890
least they can find out dates more about

1672
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:03,230
the items more about us at para museum

1673
01:06:07,660 --> 01:06:05,210
comm there's a link there where they can

1674
01:06:10,450 --> 01:06:07,670
go check out a 24/7 live camera that we

1675
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:10,460
run it has like a k2 meter that's set up

1676
01:06:15,069 --> 01:06:12,890
we switch out the objects we do live EVP

1677
01:06:16,930 --> 01:06:15,079
sessions where people can ask their

1678
01:06:18,510 --> 01:06:16,940
questions and we'll ask them to the

1679
01:06:20,910 --> 01:06:18,520
objects and we play them back live

1680
01:06:22,930 --> 01:06:20,920
little experiments and things like that

1681
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:22,940
and if they you know if they want to

1682
01:06:25,540 --> 01:06:24,170
read some of the articles about some of

1683
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:25,550
the adventures we've gone on they can go

1684
01:06:31,150 --> 01:06:28,250
to week in weird comm and then finally

1685
01:06:33,579 --> 01:06:31,160
if they just are interested and in Dana

1686
01:06:34,900 --> 01:06:33,589
and I they can go to weird HQ comm the

1687
01:06:36,609 --> 01:06:34,910
Greg and Dana thank you so much for

1688
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:36,619
coming on like I said it's been uh it's

1689
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:40,310
been long overdue and as you guys know

1690
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:42,410
if I hear of any interesting haunted

1691
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:45,410
items I will immediately try to send

1692
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:48,650
them your way oh my god we had so much

1693
01:06:51,819 --> 01:06:49,910
fun yeah thank you guys so much for

1694
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:51,829
having us yeah you guys have a good

1695
01:07:02,560 --> 01:06:54,570
night tell oh hell ohayo not hell

1696
01:07:10,970 --> 01:07:08,090
tell he'll hello for me no hello

1697
01:07:13,610 --> 01:07:10,980
yeah right yeah if the Crone has its way

1698
01:07:15,530 --> 01:07:13,620
huh that's it for this week's episode

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01:07:17,810 --> 01:07:15,540
again to learn more about everything

1700
01:07:22,310 --> 01:07:17,820
that Greg and Dana Newkirk are up to

1701
01:07:24,970 --> 01:07:22,320
visit weird hq.com all past episodes of

1702
01:07:28,250 --> 01:07:24,980
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1703
01:07:29,810 --> 01:07:28,260
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1704
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:29,820
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01:07:35,870 --> 01:07:32,850
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01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:35,880
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01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:38,370
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01:07:42,290 --> 01:07:39,870
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01:07:45,710 --> 01:07:42,300
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01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:45,720
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01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:52,440
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01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:17,400
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01:08:22,580 --> 01:08:19,770
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01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:22,590
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